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JD Vance on War and Peace

A look at Trump's VP pick and his unusual foreign policy views


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J.D. Vance is well known for his views on social policy and America’s culture wars, but on actual war and foreign policy, his positions receive much less attention. This is unfortunate because Vice Presidents have often played an important role as a close advisor to the President on foreign policy in particular (e.g., Dick Cheney and Joe Biden). So I spent the last couple of days examining Vance’s foreign policy statements and record.

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After poring over transcripts of his speeches to think tanks, his op-eds, and his social media posts, my sense is this: Vance is Trump with a cerebral cortex. Their positions are often quite similar but where Trump speaks in bombast, Vance uses a softer, more deliberate tone. This isn’t a judgment about his goodness or badness - there’s plenty of commentary about that already - but simply my attempt to factually characterize his views, which is my goal with this article.

With that in mind, here are Vance’s views on a number of key foreign policy issues.

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NATO

There’s been a debate for years over how to get NATO member countries to contribute more of their gross national product to defense and the alliance, which the U.S. funds at a significantly higher rate than its European counterparts. While both Vance and Trump agree on this issue, the sharp differences in rhetoric is representative of the distinctions between the two.

In February, Trump said that he told an unnamed European leader that he would encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they want to any NATO countries that didn’t meet alliance spending goals. The blusterous remark drew predictable outrage, polarizing people on an issue about which many might otherwise be sympathetic. Why should Americans pay more than rich European countries for the defense of the continent?

Just one week after Trump’s remark, then-Senator Vance, speaking at the Munich Security Conference, addressed the same issue, but in diplomatic terms.

And I offer this in the spirit of friendship uh not in the spirit of criticism, because, no, I don't think that we should pull out of NATO; and no, I don't think that we should abandon Europe, Vance began. it’s because we have to recognize that we live in a world of scarcity.

He went on to advocate for essentially Trump’s position, but instead of simply blaming Europe, he added examples about the scarcity of U.S. munitions, and the need for the Europeans to shoulder more of the responsibility. He also offered some self-criticism of the U.S. role regarding the need to continue to bankroll Ukraine’s defense, saying that the West doesn’t make enough weapons, citing the the stupid Washington consensus that encouraged countries to deindustrialize.

The self-criticism appeared again in a keynote speech he delivered to the Quincy Institute in May:

But I actually think that Washington, at least current Washington leadership, really likes the fact that the Europeans are dependent on us. That’s not an alliance. These people aren’t increasingly allies [as some would characterize]. They are client states of the United States of America who do whatever we want them to do.

Vance’s argument is an interesting one because it shifts blame from faraway European governments to Washington, which Americans obviously have much more influence over. It also makes the case that this arrangement isn’t just bad for us; it’s bad for Europe, too, whose security has “atrophied” because of the U.S. “security blanket,” as Vance puts it.


Ukraine

While Vance can be more thoughtful than Trump, he also employs the former president’s shock jock tendencies when it’s useful.

“I gotta be honest with you, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another,” Vance said in 2022 in the midst of his Senate campaign. The comment quickly went viral on X (then Twitter) provoking - as surely it was intended - pro-Ukraine supporters and the Washington foreign policy commentariat. DC egghead outrage is practically a free campaign ad for someone running in a rust belt state like Ohio, whose senate race Vance would go on to win.

These types of provocations strike me as insincere attempts by Vance to gin up publicity, copy pasted from Trump’s playbook. The tweet has since been deleted, suggesting remorse. Vance has since said that I certainly admire the Ukrainians who are fighting against Russia. Take a look at how differently Vance addresses the issue in this op-ed he wrote for The New York Times, titled “The Math in Ukraine Doesn’t Add Up”:

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.. eality on the ground.The most fundamental question: How much does Ukraine need and how much can we actually provide? Mr. Biden suggests that a $60 billion supplemental means the difference between victory and defeat in a major war between Russia and Ukraine. That is also wrong. $60 billion is a fraction of what it would take to turn the tide in Ukraine’s favor. But this is not just a matter of dollars. Fundamentally, we lack the capacity to manufacture the amount of weapons Ukraine needs us to s

Consider our ability to produce 155-millimeter artillery shells. Last year, Ukraine’s defense minister estimated that the country’s base-line requirement for these shells was over four million per year but that it could fire up to seven million if that many were available. Since the start of the conflict, the United States has gone to great lengths to ramp up production of 155-millimeter shells. We’ve roughly doubled our capacity and can now produce 360,000 per year — less than a tenth of what Ukraine says it needs. The administration’s goal is to get this to 1.2 million — 30 percent of what’s needed — by the end of 2025. This would cost the American taxpayers dearly while yielding an unpleasantly familiar result: failure abroad

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.. soon have a 10-to-1 artillery advantage over Ukraine. What didn’t gather as many headlines is that Russia’s current advantage is at least 5 to 1, even after all the money we have poured into the conflict. Neither of these ratios plausibly lead to Ukrainian victory.Proponents of American aid to Ukraine have argued that our approach has been a boon to our own economy, creating jobs here in the factories that manufacture weapons. But our national security interests can be — and often are — separate from our economic interests. The notion that we should prolong a bloody and gruesome war because it’s been good for American business is grotesque. We can and should rebuild our industrial base without shipping its products to a foreign conflict.The story is the same when we look at other munitions. Take the Patriot missile system — our premier air defense weapon. It’s of such importance in this war that Ukraine’s foreign minister has specifically demanded them. That’s because in March alone, R ..
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A former Marine, Vance presumably has an understanding of the military, details of which he seems to lean on when articulating his argument against future military aid for Ukraine. His arguments are often quantitative: how many of which munitions the Ukrainians want, how many the U.S. can produce and how many America needs for other purposes. While Trump’s position on Ukraine is akin to Vance’s, trying to imagine Trump using that kind of argumentation is like trying to imagine my dog using watercolors. I’m not saying Vance is some kind of genius, but his willingness to engage in persuasive argument distinguishes him from Trump.

As Vance sees it, America lacks the defense industrial base necessary to supply Ukraine with sufficient arms to meaningfully drive out the Russians. He has also criticized what he calls the Biden administration’s lack of an endgame for the war. This kind of rhetoric echoes critiques of the war on terror, a war that both he and Trump have bitterly criticized.

For these reasons, Vance has called the Biden administration’s unwillingness to negotiate a settlement with Russian president Vladamir Putin “absurd,” saying that Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians.


China

The conventional news media casts Vance as an “isolationist,” a political tendency that opposes involvement in foreign affairs. The characterization seems less dishonest than lazy. Vance does advocate for reducing our involvement in both Europe and the Middle East, which presumably earned him the moniker. But he’s a fierce advocate for U.S. military engagement to check the rise of China.

In speech after speech, he argues that extricating ourselves from the Middle East is important not as an end in itself, but so that we can maintain a laser focus on China - a focus he says will last for nearly half a century.

The United States has to focus more on East Asia Vance said. That is going to be the future of American foreign policy for the next 40 years, and Europe has to wake up to that fact.

This position mirrors the dominant thinking in the U.S. military today. The need to reorient our focus toward China has been codified in the Pentagon’s National Defense Strategy.

Vance also likes criticize the sorry state of the defense industrial base, which he blames on the orgy of offshoring of manufacturing carried out by the Washington and the foreign policy elite. He sees this as an even greater threat than China’s expanding foreign influence. As Vance puts it:

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.. uitions of American citizens okay um that's principle number one and I'll talk about that in a second principle number two is that the most important part of American got it thank you principle number two is that the most important part of American uh foreign policy is actually the strength of our domestic economy and the strength of our domestic population and if there is something that should worry all of us I think it's it's not that China is showing more belligerence in East Asia that that c

It's not that China is sort of expanding its scope into South America and to Africa as part of the Belt and Road Initiative, though again, I do think that should worry us. It's that China, based and because of the stupidity of Washington leaders over the past generation, is now arguably the most powerful industrial economy in the world. If we're going to lose a war, it will be because we have allowed our primary rival to become arguably our most powerful industrial competitor.

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.. forbid I worry that in 10 years it will become obvious that China is not our primary industrial competitor but that we're theirs that they are now the preeminent industrial power in the world and if we get there yes it will be because all of these bad things about China and we can criticize China but if we get there the primary reason will be because our leaders led us down a very stupid path to very predictable consequences I am angry about the rise of China and certainly I don't think that the Chinese are our friends but I most angry that American leadership let it happen Okay so those are the two things I want to talk about our domestic strength at home and also first I want to start talk about the moral intuitions that I think that underpin American foreign policy so let me just highlight the the moral intuition argument with a couple of of sort of the most pressing foreign policy controversies facing our country number one is what do we do about Israel what do we do in Israel and ..
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Israel / Middle East

Another wrinkle in the “isolationist” label is Vance’s unqualified support for Israel, which he weirdly attributes to his Christian faith. How kind of the man upstairs to have blessed him with a position requisite to having a career in Republican politics.

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.. porting um the Ukrainian conflict I think that we have to if if you want to articulate why I'm wrong you have to S of say this is why this in America's best interest so one one there are a few things I think that are very distinct about Israel okay and when I talk about the moral intuitions in the middle class why do Americans care about Israel okay I think there are all these arguments you could make and some of them are true and some of them are false and some of them are fake um but look the

a big part of the reason why Americans care about Israel is because we are still the largest Christian-majority country in the world, which means that a majority of citizens of this country think that their savior, and I count myself a Christian, was born, died, and resurrected in that narrow little strip of territory off the Mediterranean. The idea that there is ever going to be an American foreign policy that doesn't care a lot about that slice of the world is preposterous”

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.. of who Americans are now contrast that with the moral intuition that is most underlined American foreign policy of the last 20 years this idea that it is in our distinct interest to spread democracy all over the world well I actually don't think that that even holds a little bit of water was it in our interest to spread democracy to Iraq where not only did a lot of Americans and a lot of other people die needlessly but then we created a proxy of Iran in the Middle East it's Preposterous okay and not only that not only do we create a proxy of Iran in the Middle East at the cost of thousands of American lives we also precipitated the genocide of one of the oldest Christian communities in the entire world now we talk about moral intuitions and I think our moral intuitions we have to influence our foreign policy objectives here if you had told the American people if George W bush had stood before the American people in 2003 and said hey guys we're going to go to War not to eradicate weapo ..
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Vance’s support for Israel does, however, differ from other Republicans’ in a couple of ways. For one, he stresses the need to explain why our support for Israel helps Americans.

“Ladies and gentlemen, if we're going to support Israel, as I think that we should, we have to articulate a reason why it's in our best interest, Vance says. He argues, again in pseudo military analysis, that Israel’s technical sophistication, particularly with regards to missile defense, makes it a partner that can build the type of defensive systems that could allow the U.S. to step back from the region, at least partially. As he told Quincy:

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.. middleclass Americans is why don't we stop genociding historical Christian communities that's like a basic thing we should be do in our foreign policy um but let me let me just sort of dive into this a little bit because it's not just of course the fact that Americans care about Israel for religious reasons I think there actually is a hardn strategic argument that we can make for why we should care about Israel too uh a couple of let me just make a couple of points on that on that topic so first

Israel is one of the most dynamic, certainly on a per capita basis, one of the most dynamic and technologically advanced countries in the world… And if you look at what Israel is doing just with the Iron Beam system, for example, this is a system that would allow America and our allies to actually achieve some parity with the people who are sending drones and rocket attacks and so forth.

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.. rones and Rocket attacks and so forth there is no way that we can long-term fight a missile defense battle against people if they're paying 1110th or 1/1 100th for offense weapons that we are paying for defensive weapons and the Israelis are doing the most important work to actually give us missile defense parody that's a very important National Security objective in the United States of America and that's something we're working with one of the most Innovative economies in the world to accomplish uh there's there's another reason actually motivated by my view that America can't do everything and that that reason is quite simple uh we have to sort of ask ourselves what do we want out of our Israeli allies and more importantly what do we want out of all of our allies for at large do we want clients who depend on us who can't do anything without us or do we want real allies who can actually Advance their interests on their own with America as playing a leadership role but our allies actu ..
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The idea that Israel and the West don’t have parity with Iranian-backed militias, or even Iran itself, on these matters is, in a word, ridiculous. It is also a common argument in Washington and another way in which Vance fails to depart from orthodoxy. Vance continues:

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.. ouple of points on that on that topic so first Israel is one of the most dynamic certainly on a per capita basis one of the most dynamic in techn techologically Advanced countries in the world uh Dan cenor wrote about this in the book uh the startup nation and if you look at what Israel is doing just with the iron beam system for example this is a system that would allow America and our allies to actually achieve some parity with the people who are sending drones and Rocket attacks and so forth

There is no way that we can long-term fight a missile defense battle against people if they're paying one-tenth or one-one-hundredth for offensive weapons that we are paying for defensive weapons, and the Israelis are doing the most important work to actually give us missile defense parity. That's a very important national security objective of the United States of America, and that's something we're working with one of the most innovative economies in the world to accomplish

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.. 's another reason actually motivated by my view that America can't do everything and that that reason is quite simple uh we have to sort of ask ourselves what do we want out of our Israeli allies and more importantly what do we want out of all of our allies for at large do we want clients who depend on us who can't do anything without us or do we want real allies who can actually Advance their interests on their own with America as playing a leadership role but our allies actually doing something too so my biggest criticism of our approach in Ukraine uh is that it has no strategic end in sight and it's not leading anywhere that's going to ultimately be good for our country but the second biggest criticism I make about the war in Ukraine and our approach to it is that we are subsidizing the Europeans to do nothing the Europeans are not carrying their fair share of the burden especially when it comes in provision of weapons and their own in they're de-industrializing their own country at ..
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As a general proposition, that cheap drones and other munitions challenge the United States military to come up with cheaper defenses, not exactly the Pentagon’s strength, makes some sense. But it’s sort of irrelevant to the war in Gaza. And it displays the inability to tie one view (military withdrawal from the Middle East) with another (more defense spending to solve today’s limited problem in the Middle East), or more accurately in Ukraine where cheap drones have changed the face of a major war.

But Vance does still distinguish himself from other Republicans when he says he wants Israel to finish the war as quickly as possible, a statement that could have been made by any Democrat in America.

Yet for whatever Vance says, his views align closely with Trump’s, though again they are more developed. Vance also believes that the basic framework of the Abraham Accords - Trump’s signature foreign policy achievement that normalized relations between Israel and various Arab nations - should be expanded to more countries. This, he believes, would prevent conflict and provide a security architecture that would allow the U.S. to take a step back from the region and focus on China.


In some ways, Vance’s foreign policy vision feels wholly at home in Washington, obscure and technical arguments to explain (and resolve) big intractable problems. Maybe Vance could serve as Trump’s top national security advisor, or at least the flame that the moths in Washington will gather around. But in terms of the new Vance, the one that forgets his criticism of Trump in order to get on the ticket (and to get his ticket on the way to be president someday), it’s still unclear whether he will ultimately have any influence.


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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. t I want respond to something Miss Lang said earlier uh look Germany is the one country maybe in NATO that did not follow the stupid Washington consensus and allow their country to be de-industrialized during the 70s 80s and 90s and yet at the very moment that Putin is more and more powerful where the Russian army is invading European countries in Mass this is the point at which Germany starts to deindustrializ ing in manufacturing in Germany now versus 10 years ago look at the critical raw materials produced in Germany now versus 10 years ago the energy dependence Now versus 10 or 20 years ago we have got to stop de-industrializing we want Europe to be successful but Europe has got to take a bigger role in its own security you can't do that without industry ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. think there actually is a hardn strategic argument that we can make for why we should care about Israel too uh a couple of let me just make a couple of points on that on that topic so first Israel is one of the most dynamic certainly on a per capita basis one of the most dynamic in techn techologically Advanced countries in the world uh Dan cenor wrote about this in the book uh the startup nation And if you look at what Israel is doing just with the Iron Beam system, for example, this is a system that would allow America and our allies to actually achieve some parity with the people who are sending drones and rocket attacks and so forth. ere is no way that we can long-term fight a missile defense battle against people if they're paying 1110th or 1/1 100th for offense weapons that we are paying for defensive weapons and the Israelis are doing the most important work to actually give us missile defense parody that's a very important National Security objective in the United States of America and that's something we're working with o ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. y people accuse Trump or me or others of being in Putin's pocket and yet the person that Donald Trump says or the person that Vladimir Putin says he wants to be the next president is not Donald Trump he says Joe Biden is his preferred candidate because he's more predictable now on the question of European security I think there's a fundamental issue here that Europe really has to wake up to and I And I offer this in the spirit of friendship uh not in the spirit of criticism, because, no, I don't think that we should pull out of NATO; and no, I don't think that we should abandon Europe yes I think that we should pivot the United States has to focus more on East Asia that is going to be the future of American foreign policy for the next 40 years and Europe has to wake up to that fact now let me just throw a couple of facts out there um number one the problem in Ukraine from the perspective of the United States of America and and I represent I believe the majority of American publ ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. preferred candidate because he's more predictable now on the question of European security I think there's a fundamental issue here that Europe really has to wake up to and I and I offer this in the spirit of friendship uh not in the spirit of criticism because no I don't think that we should pull out of NATO and no I don't think that we should abandon Europe but yes I think that we should pivot The United States has to focus more on East Asia that is going to be the future of American foreign policy for the next 40 years and Europe has to wake up to that fact now let me just throw a couple of facts out there um number one the problem in Ukraine from the perspective of the United States of America and and I represent I believe the majority of American public opinion even though I don't represent the majority of opinion of senators who ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. Putin must be defeated at all cost if Putin must be defeated at all cost to our German friends then stop de-industrializing your own country in the name of a ridiculous green energy policy but I actually think that Washington at least current Washington leadership really likes the fact that the Europeans are completely dependent on us that's not an alliance these people aren't increasingly allies They are client states of the United States of America who do whatever we want them to do. well I think we have a real opportunity to ensure that Israel is an ally in the true sense that it's going to pursue their interests and sometimes those interests won't totally overlap with the United States and that's totally reasonable but they are fundamentally self-sufficient and I think the way that we get there in Israel is actually by combining the Abraham Accords approach with the defeat o ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. so let me just highlight the the moral intuition argument with a couple of of sort of the most pressing foreign policy controversies facing our country number one is what do we do about Israel what do we do in Israel and question number two is what do we do about Ukraine I sort of come down on very opposite sides of these particular questions I'm supportive of Israel in their war against Hamas uh I certainly admire the Ukrainians who are fighting against Russia. but I do not think that it is in America's interest to continue to fund a effectively never- ending war in Ukraine sort of why are these two things different well there are a few things there are a few things it's sort of weird um that this town assumes that Israel and Ukraine are exactly the same they're not of course and I think it's important to analyze them in separate buckets and importantly ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. g the Europeans are not carrying their fair share of the burden especially when it comes in provision of weapons and their own in they're de-industrializing their own country at the same time that they say that Putin must be defeated at all cost if Putin must be defeated at all cost to our German friends then stop de-industrializing your own country in the name of a ridiculous green energy policy But I actually think that Washington, at least current Washington leadership, really likes the fact that the Europeans are dependent on us. That’s not an alliance. These people aren’t increasingly allies allies they are client states of the United States of America who do whatever we want them to do well I think we have a real opportunity to ensure that Israel is an ally in the true sense that it's going to pursue their interests and sometimes those interests won't totally overlap with the United States and that's totally reasonable but they are fundamentally self-sufficient and I think the way t ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. former USSR. It is a stark morality tale, Jak but we can't make strategic decisions based on stark moralit We have to figure out what is in America's best intere We have a food crisis that's getting worse because of the prolonged war in Eastern Europe. We have an energy crisis that's threatening to swamp multiple allied governments in Western Europe. What's in America's best interest is to accept Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians. and we need to bring this war to What would I think about the gre tragedy here? Hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans, innocent, have been killed in this conflic The thing that's in our interest and in theirs is to stop the kil Let's turn to some domestic issu especially in your doorstep. Ohio's new constitutional amendm protecting abortion rights went into effect Thursday. You said after it ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. than the average Russian citizen that is certainly something to celebrate and be proud of but you don't win Wars with GDP or Euros or dollars you win Wars with weapons and the West doesn't make enough weapons now I don't mean to beat up on Germany here because I love Germany but I want respond to something Miss Lang said earlier uh look Germany is the one country maybe in NATO that did not follow the stupid Washington consensus and allow their country to be de-industrialized during the 70s 80s and 90s and yet at the very moment that Putin is more and more powerful where the Russian army is invading European countries in Mass this is the point at which Germany starts to deindustrializing in manufacturing in Germany now versus 10 years ago look at the critical raw materials produced in Germany now versus 10 years ago the ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. e now on the question of European security I think there's a fundamental issue here that Europe really has to wake up to and I and I offer this in the spirit of friendship uh not in the spirit of criticism because no I don't think that we should pull out of NATO and no I don't think that we should abandon Europe but yes I think that we should pivot the United States has to focus more on East Asia That is going to be the future of American foreign policy for the next 40 years, and Europe has to wake up to that fact. ow let me just throw a couple of facts out there um number one the problem in Ukraine from the perspective of the United States of America and and I represent I believe the majority of American public opinion even though I don't represent the majority of opinion of senators who come to Munich is that there's no clear endpoint and fundamentally the limiting factors for American support of Ukraine i ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. uses in a month what the United States makes in a year okay the Patriot missile system is on a 5-year back order 155 mimer artillery shells on more than a 5year back order we're talking in the United States about ramping up our production of artillery to 100,000 a month by the end of 2025 the Russians make close to 500,000 a month right now at this very minute so the problem here visa Ukraine is the West doesn’t make enough weapons Europe doesn't make enough weapons and that reality is far more important than American political will or how much money we print and then send to Europe and the the final point that I'll make just to respond here because I I I know people have heard what you know Trump said and you know they've criticized it and they said well Trump is going to abandon Europe I don't think that's true at all I th ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. of the earlier questions I mean to the question about the Heritage 2025 initiative I'm broadly aware of what they're talking about with NATO and I think it's consistent with what I'm articulating here which is that we need Europe to play a bigger share of the security role and that's not because we don't care about Europe up to your question sir to to sort of the things that you've said Miss Lang it’s because we have to recognize that we live in a world of scarcity when I sort of listen to these questions and I listen to so many of the private conversations I've had one of the attitudes that I think is very very dominant at the Munich security conference is the idea of the American superpower that can do everything all at once and what I'm telling you is that we live in a world of scarcity a world of scarcity and weapons man manufacturing and America's capa ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. ly I I think those of us who are pro-israel have to wake up to a new reality you see this the consequences of it on college campuses you see this in the way in which young people think about these different parts of the world and what America's response should be to them and it's that they're even if they're pro-israel they'll they're sick of the old arguments right the slogans don't work anymore Ladies and gentlemen, if we're going to support Israel, as I think that we should, we have to articulate a reason why it's in our best interest f we're going to support the ukrainians as I think we've done again I think we should stop supporting um the Ukrainian conflict I think that we have to if if you want to articulate why I'm wrong you have to S of say this is why this in America's best interest so one one there are a few things I think that are very distinct about Israel okay and when I talk about the moral intuitions in the middle ..

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BEGIN CONTEXT: .. basic thing we should be do in our foreign policy um but let me let me just sort of dive into this a little bit because it's not just of course the fact that Americans care about Israel for religious reasons I think there actually is a hardn strategic argument that we can make for why we should care about Israel too uh a couple of let me just make a couple of points on that on that topic so first Israel is one of the most dynamic, certainly on a per capita basis, one of the most dynamic and technologically advanced countries in the world ld uh Dan cenor wrote about this in the book uh the startup nation and if you look at what Israel is doing just with the iron beam system for example this is a system that would allow America and our allies to actually achieve some parity with the people who are sending drones and Rocket attacks and so forth there is no way that we can long-term fight a missile defense battle against people if the ..

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